Comments on: Arctic Sea Ice Recovery Underway – Updated http://climateresearchnews.com/2008/10/arctic-sea-ice-recovery-underway/ Bridging the gap between reality and official science Tue, 04 Jan 2011 10:26:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Nathan Paine http://climateresearchnews.com/2008/10/arctic-sea-ice-recovery-underway/comment-page-1/#comment-35841 Nathan Paine Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:37:44 +0000 http://climateresearchnews.com/?p=204#comment-35841 There is no good way to do a cost-benefit analysis because we don't know enough about the benefits of reducing carbon. Here's an interesting fact: Germans sometimes pay more than 22 cents per kWh for electricity - that is almost three times higher than many parts of the U.S. The risk is too high. There is no good way to do a cost-benefit analysis because we don’t know enough about the benefits of reducing carbon. Here’s an interesting fact: Germans sometimes pay more than 22 cents per kWh for electricity – that is almost three times higher than many parts of the U.S. The risk is too high.

]]> By: Nathan Paine http://climateresearchnews.com/2008/10/arctic-sea-ice-recovery-underway/comment-page-1/#comment-35840 Nathan Paine Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:34:12 +0000 http://climateresearchnews.com/?p=204#comment-35840 I agree. I meant to say that it would interesting if we could find profitable uses for CO2 - a market for CO2 - like using it to enhance oil recovery. I think in Norway oil companies are willing to pay more for the CO2 than it costs to capture and transport it. This would be difficult in the U.S. however because the cost of transport would be much higher. I don't support a carbon tax or cap and trade - I think it is too risky at this point given that we really don't know enough about the long-term impact of carbon emissions. I agree. I meant to say that it would interesting if we could find profitable uses for CO2 – a market for CO2 – like using it to enhance oil recovery. I think in Norway oil companies are willing to pay more for the CO2 than it costs to capture and transport it. This would be difficult in the U.S. however because the cost of transport would be much higher.

I don’t support a carbon tax or cap and trade – I think it is too risky at this point given that we really don’t know enough about the long-term impact of carbon emissions.

]]> By: admin http://climateresearchnews.com/2008/10/arctic-sea-ice-recovery-underway/comment-page-1/#comment-35737 admin Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:14:49 +0000 http://climateresearchnews.com/?p=204#comment-35737 Emissions trading just makes money for business and banks by trading thin air - the rest of us pay. The EU emissions trading scheme costs UK consumers £3 billion per year: http://climateresearchnews.com/2009/10/eu-emissions-trading-scheme-costs-consumers-3-billion-a-year/ Emissions trading just makes money for business and banks by trading thin air – the rest of us pay. The EU emissions trading scheme costs UK consumers £3 billion per year:

http://climateresearchnews.com/2009/10/eu-emissions-trading-scheme-costs-consumers-3-billion-a-year/

]]> By: Nathan Paine http://climateresearchnews.com/2008/10/arctic-sea-ice-recovery-underway/comment-page-1/#comment-35736 Nathan Paine Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:02:25 +0000 http://climateresearchnews.com/?p=204#comment-35736 Yes, and efforts to reduce CO2 may result in more NOX emissions which wouldn't be a good thing. I agree with you on most of your points in your last post. Sorry for calling you a d-bag. It would be interesting if develop mkts for CO2 rather than taxing emissions. I know Norway has an emissions trading program, but there is also a market for CO2 which also attaches a price to the CO2 - they use it to inject into oil and gas fields to enhance recovery. Yes, and efforts to reduce CO2 may result in more NOX emissions which wouldn’t be a good thing. I agree with you on most of your points in your last post. Sorry for calling you a d-bag.

It would be interesting if develop mkts for CO2 rather than taxing emissions. I know Norway has an emissions trading program, but there is also a market for CO2 which also attaches a price to the CO2 – they use it to inject into oil and gas fields to enhance recovery.

]]> By: admin http://climateresearchnews.com/2008/10/arctic-sea-ice-recovery-underway/comment-page-1/#comment-35120 admin Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:34:31 +0000 http://climateresearchnews.com/?p=204#comment-35120 No one really knows how large or small the man-made contribution is and it isn't restricted to CO2 - there's the likes of black carbon/aerosols. Also, land use change can account for up to 50% of observed warming in some studies. So my view is that CO2 isn't a big problem, it's also a resource, and current climate change remains within the boundaries of natural variability, including glaciers, sea ice, temperature etc. No one really knows how large or small the man-made contribution is and it isn’t restricted to CO2 – there’s the likes of black carbon/aerosols. Also, land use change can account for up to 50% of observed warming in some studies. So my view is that CO2 isn’t a big problem, it’s also a resource, and current climate change remains within the boundaries of natural variability, including glaciers, sea ice, temperature etc.

]]> By: admin http://climateresearchnews.com/2008/10/arctic-sea-ice-recovery-underway/comment-page-1/#comment-35119 admin Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:21:06 +0000 http://climateresearchnews.com/?p=204#comment-35119 I'm not opposed to reducing C02 emissions at a pace dictated by technology - I'm opposed to unachievable, arbitrary targets on arbitrary time scales. I’m not opposed to reducing C02 emissions at a pace dictated by technology – I’m opposed to unachievable, arbitrary targets on arbitrary time scales.

]]> By: Nathan Paine http://climateresearchnews.com/2008/10/arctic-sea-ice-recovery-underway/comment-page-1/#comment-35118 Nathan Paine Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:18:28 +0000 http://climateresearchnews.com/?p=204#comment-35118 Btw, I don't know the extent of man-made contributions to global warming. Nobody does. It may very well be extremely minimal. But I'm tired of the pseudoscience from both sides of the debate. I'll acknowledge that we are taking huge risks if we engage on a path dependent process and spend hundreds of billions of dollars on reducing carbon emissions by building wind power and huge transmission lines. And all of this risk is shifted to the ratepayers and society instead of being allocated to the transmission owners and wind developers. Btw, I don’t know the extent of man-made contributions to global warming. Nobody does. It may very well be extremely minimal. But I’m tired of the pseudoscience from both sides of the debate. I’ll acknowledge that we are taking huge risks if we engage on a path dependent process and spend hundreds of billions of dollars on reducing carbon emissions by building wind power and huge transmission lines. And all of this risk is shifted to the ratepayers and society instead of being allocated to the transmission owners and wind developers.

]]> By: Nathan Paine http://climateresearchnews.com/2008/10/arctic-sea-ice-recovery-underway/comment-page-1/#comment-35115 Nathan Paine Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:09:49 +0000 http://climateresearchnews.com/?p=204#comment-35115 You're right, however, the decline has been accelerating in recent decades which is some evidence of man-made conditions. Again, you've taken a two-year trend out of context. Likewise, forecasts based on 2007 alone would also be flawed. and I would repeat that Al Gore is a giant Douche Bag. Look, I'm not an enviro nut. I think that the best way to cut carbon emissions (if people want too) is to use natural gas-fired generation (not wind power). There is plenty of natural gas in the arctic that we could discover and drill. And there is plenty of natural gas in the U.S. as well. You’re right, however, the decline has been accelerating in recent decades which is some evidence of man-made conditions. Again, you’ve taken a two-year trend out of context. Likewise, forecasts based on 2007 alone would also be flawed. and I would repeat that Al Gore is a giant Douche Bag. Look, I’m not an enviro nut. I think that the best way to cut carbon emissions (if people want too) is to use natural gas-fired generation (not wind power). There is plenty of natural gas in the arctic that we could discover and drill. And there is plenty of natural gas in the U.S. as well.

]]> By: admin http://climateresearchnews.com/2008/10/arctic-sea-ice-recovery-underway/comment-page-1/#comment-35053 admin Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:46:11 +0000 http://climateresearchnews.com/?p=204#comment-35053 What about 20th Century declines prior to 1961? - neither those or the current decline demonstrates a human-caused warming. What about 20th Century declines prior to 1961? – neither those or the current decline demonstrates a human-caused warming.

]]> By: admin http://climateresearchnews.com/2008/10/arctic-sea-ice-recovery-underway/comment-page-1/#comment-35052 admin Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:41:14 +0000 http://climateresearchnews.com/?p=204#comment-35052 No, but 2007 was the launch pad for ice-free predictions. No, but 2007 was the launch pad for ice-free predictions.

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