Comments on: Climate Models Support Climate Models http://climateresearchnews.com/2009/06/climate-models-support-climate-models/ Bridging the gap between reality and official science Tue, 04 Jan 2011 10:26:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Andrew http://climateresearchnews.com/2009/06/climate-models-support-climate-models/comment-page-1/#comment-23879 Andrew Sat, 13 Jun 2009 04:04:28 +0000 http://climateresearchnews.com/?p=948#comment-23879 There are so many problems with this paper I can't believe it was published! Holy Cow, they didn't even get the memo that emissions =/ concentrations! Wow... There are so many problems with this paper I can’t believe it was published! Holy Cow, they didn’t even get the memo that emissions =/ concentrations! Wow…

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]]> By: Bob Tisdale http://climateresearchnews.com/2009/06/climate-models-support-climate-models/comment-page-1/#comment-23749 Bob Tisdale Fri, 12 Jun 2009 00:19:45 +0000 http://climateresearchnews.com/?p=948#comment-23749 Paul, in the press release for Matthew et al (2009)… http://news.concordia.ca/main_story/014941.shtml?referID=fs_tab_sidebar they state, “These findings mean that we can now say: if you emit that tonne of carbon dioxide, it will lead to 0.0000000000015 degrees of global temperature change.” I ran some quick calculations, and the "Matthews Multiplier" indicates that co2 accounts for a little more than half (54%) of the global temperature rise (based on linear trends) since 1979, which is the start year of the MSU TLT data. But CO2, according to the NOAA ANNUAL GREENHOUSE GAS INDEX, represents approximately 63% of the AGGI. http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/aggi/ If the "Matthews Multiplier" was correct, which it’s not, then all AGG would be responsible for 85% of the warming since 1979 and that's a bit difficult to fathom. Why? By removing the impacts of Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation and Volcanic Aerosols from global SST anomaly data (1981 to present), the trend in global SST anomalies since 1981 drops by 62%. Refer to: http://bobtisdale.blogspot.com/2009/02/impact-of-north-atlantic-and-volcanic.html For confirmation of the impact of the AMO on global temperatures, they should’ve checked with the Team at RealClimate who write about the AMO, “This pattern is believed to describe…SOME, BUT NOT ALL, of the high-latitude warming observed in the late 20th century.” If they were to add the immediate impacts of ENSO, that would tweak the trend more. And if they'd studied the process of reemergence, they’d have discovered that global oceans integrate the effects of ENSO. Removing that would lower the global SST rise since 1981 yet again. I think Matthews et al need to fix their climate models. Paul, in the press release for Matthew et al (2009)…
http://news.concordia.ca/main_story/014941.shtml?referID=fs_tab_sidebar
they state, “These findings mean that we can now say: if you emit that tonne of carbon dioxide, it will lead to 0.0000000000015 degrees of global temperature change.”

I ran some quick calculations, and the “Matthews Multiplier” indicates that co2 accounts for a little more than half (54%) of the global temperature rise (based on linear trends) since 1979, which is the start year of the MSU TLT data.

But CO2, according to the NOAA ANNUAL GREENHOUSE GAS INDEX, represents approximately 63% of the AGGI.
http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/aggi/

If the “Matthews Multiplier” was correct, which it’s not, then all AGG would be responsible for 85% of the warming since 1979 and that’s a bit difficult to fathom.

Why?

By removing the impacts of Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation and Volcanic Aerosols from global SST anomaly data (1981 to present), the trend in global SST anomalies since 1981 drops by 62%.
Refer to:
http://bobtisdale.blogspot.com/2009/02/impact-of-north-atlantic-and-volcanic.html

For confirmation of the impact of the AMO on global temperatures, they should’ve checked with the Team at RealClimate who write about the AMO, “This pattern is believed to describe…SOME, BUT NOT ALL, of the high-latitude warming observed in the late 20th century.”

If they were to add the immediate impacts of ENSO, that would tweak the trend more. And if they’d studied the process of reemergence, they’d have discovered that global oceans integrate the effects of ENSO. Removing that would lower the global SST rise since 1981 yet again.

I think Matthews et al need to fix their climate models.

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